Calming The Brain with PEMF
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Mental health is a global crisis that affects people of all ages. Recent statistics show that 14% of 10 to 19 year olds across the globe have a mental health issue 1. In this podcast episode, we’ll explore how a science-backed holistic therapy such as calming the brain with PEMF, can help address some of the most challenging conditions like ADHD, executive functioning anxiety, OCD, mood disorders, Lyme disease, and PANS and PANDAS.
The Importance of Calming The Brain with PEMF
PEMF stands for Pulsed Electromagnetic Field Therapy. This therapy uses electromagnetic fields in an attempt to improve health and wellness. Let's break this concept of calming the brain with PEMF down to make it simpler.
Think of your body as a beautifully conducted orchestra, where each cell is an instrument. Just like in an orchestra, all the cells need to be perfectly tuned to play harmoniously together and produce a beautiful symphony, which in this case is your health.
Now, imagine if some instruments start to play out of tune (i.e., cells not working optimally). The overall performance will suffer, and the beautiful symphony turns into a chaotic noise (i.e., health issues).
PEMF is like the tuner who ensures every instrument is playing at its perfect pitch. It sends pulsating waves (or ‘tuning vibrations') to the ‘out-of-tune' instruments (or cells), encouraging them to adjust back to their optimal ‘pitch' or function. This way, the orchestra can return to making beautiful music, and your body can return to optimal health and that’s why to get into a PEMF routine.
The Scientific Process of Calming the Brain with PEMF
While the effectiveness of PEMF can vary and consultation with a healthcare professional is always recommended before starting any new treatment, the scientific basis of it lies in frequency and field theory.
PEMF uses specific frequencies to counteract harmful, disharmonious frequencies, particularly those related to EMFs. These corrective frequencies promote healthier cellular functions, facilitating a shift from a state of high-stress (sympathetic dominant) towards calming the brain with PEMF, a more balanced state. It changes the health and the function of the cell itself.
Our guest expert on this episode, Dr. Roseann Capanna-Hodge, will also reveal the answer to a very important question that many parents neglect:
“Mommy/Daddy takes care of everyone and everything but who takes care of them?”
Parents often don’t get support from themselves. They take their kids to all kinds of therapies, improve their diets and more, but they don’t do it for themselves. Dr. Roseann will show you how calming the brain with PEMF can help not just your child but also yourself get a healthy body on a cellular level while taking care of everybody else.
Now you may wonder, how do I do it or where do I get it?
Tune into the podcast now and take your first step towards a calmer mind for you and your child with PEMF.
- A critical warning about EMF and its impact on your health.
- Understanding how calming the brain with PEMF works on a cellular level.
- Signs of a dysregulated nervous system and how PEMF can help.
- What to expect after just one session of PEMF.
- How PEMF is helping a mom of 5 (4 of them have autism), remain calm and manage 21 therapy appointments a week with a smile.
- And much more…
Show Notes for this Podcast
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- Understanding PEMF: What it is and how it works. (07:18)
- How does PEMF work at a cellular level? (10:00)
- The difference between PEMF and EMF. (14:45)
- The science behind the effectiveness of calming the brain with PEMF when to avoid it, and potential side effects. (20:10)
- Success story: How Dr. Roseann helped an 18-year-old, previously resistant to treatment to now have great memory, mood, and focus. (31:20)
- Why it’s important to teach your children to listen to what their bodies are telling them. (34:00)
Resources and Links
Book: www.itsgonnabeok.com
Blog: www.drroseann.com/myblog
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/DrRoseann
Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/naturalparentingsolutions
Instagram: @drroseann
TikTok: @Drroseann
More about Dr. Roseann Capanna-Hodge, Calming The Brain with PEMF Expert:
A mental health trailblazer, founder of The Global Institute of Children’s Mental Health and Dr. Roseann,LLC,2 is on a mission to change the way we view and treat mental health, showing people it's gonna be ok with science-backed tools like calming the brain with PEMF that improve wellbeing. She is known for teaching how to calm the brain in order to have a happy family and giving the keys to unlock the brain’s potential. Her trademarked method, BrainBehaviorReset™, has helped thousands address the most challenging conditions such as ADHD, executive functioning, anxiety, OCD, mood, Lyme, and PANS/PANDAS using science-backed holistic therapies. She is the author of the first ever book on teletherapy activities for child and adolescent therapists, “Teletherapy Toolkit™” and It’s Gonna be OK!™ and gives parents step-by-step solutions for their struggling kids with her books, Natural Parenting Solutions FB group, and remote neurofeedback program. A media personality, she is often featured on dozens of media outlets: Fox, CBS, NBC, PARENTS, and New York Times.
Tara Hunkin:
This is the My Child Will Thrive podcast. And I'm your host, Tara Hunkin, certified Functional Nutritional Therapy Practitioner and mother. I am here to share with you the latest research expert advice, parent perspectives, resources, and tools to help you on your path to optimizing the health and development for your child with ADHD, autism, sensory processing disorder, learning disabilities, or other neurodevelopmental disorders.
My own experiences with my daughter, combined with as much training as I can get my hands on, research I can dig into, and conferences I can attend, have helped me to develop systems and tools for parents like you who feel overwhelmed trying to help their children. So, sit back as I share another great topic to help you on your journey.
A quick disclaimer, please keep in mind that the information provided is for information and educational purposes only. It is not intended to diagnose or treat your child. It is not a substitute for working with a qualified practitioner. This episode of the My Child Will Thrive podcast is brought to you by the Autism, ADHD and Sensory Processing Disorder Summit. You can sign up for free to watch 10 days of expert interviews and masterclass at mychildwillthrive.com/summit.
Now on with the show. Hi everyone. I am excited to welcome back today on the My Child Will Thrive podcast, Dr. Roseanne or Dr. Roe, we like to call her around here. Dr. Roe came to us I guess it was last year when she, she had her book, It's Gonna Be OK, that came out.
So you'll—
Dr. Capanna-Hodge:
I'm so glad you have it. And it's right there.
Tara Hunkin:
I do, I do. It's right here. So those of you watching, you can see the book. So I am thrilled to have her back because she is a mental health trailblazer. She's the founder of The Global Institute of Children’s Mental Health and Dr. Roseann, LLC who is on a mission to change the way we view and treat mental health, showing people it's going to, it's going to be okay with science backed tools that improve wellbeing.
She's known for teaching how to calm the brain in order to have a happy family and giving the keys to unlock the brain's potential. With her trademarked method, BrainBehaviorReset™, has helped thousands address the most challenging conditions such as ADHD, executive functioning anxiety, OCD, mood, Lyme, and PANS and PANDAS, using science-backed holistic therapies.
She is the author of the first ever book on teletherapy activities for child and adolescent therapists, “Teletherapy Toolkit™” and as I just mentioned, she's also the author of It’s Gonna be OK!™, which gives parents step-by-step solutions for their struggling kids with her books,
Natural Parenting Solutions, Facebook Group is also her group and she has a remote. So those of you listening who aren't in her area and and are interested in neurofeedback, she has a remote neurofeedback program. She's a media personality and she's often featured in dozens of media assets such as Fox, CBS, NBC, PARENTS, and New York Times on last,
but certainly not least. So great to have you back here with me today to talk all about PEMF, which we're going to define and go into all that, but, and so tell me a little bit about, first of all, about how this past year has been since the launch of the book, and I we're going to talk about a new device that you have as well. What's getting you really excited about the work that you're doing right now?
Dr. Capanna-Hodge:
Yes, Well, I think, you know, for both of us as we're here supporting so many parents of kids that have neurodivergence, right? As well as on my end, specific mental health issues, you know, I think people are realizing that mental health is important.
At the same time, mental health is a full on crisis across the globe, not just America anymore, even though I feel like we're not, I feel like the statistics show us that there's quite a bit of kids, you know, percentage wide, I mean, across the globe we have 14% of 10 to 19 year olds who have a mental health issue.
And in the United States, 50% of kids who are actually diagnosed don't get help. So we're in a crisis. So I'm not excited about that. But what I am excited about is people are realizing that traditional allopathic paths, you know, medication and standard talk therapy isn't moving the dial. Even though I'm a hu, you know, I'm a trained, you know, therapist and I believe very much in therapy,
we're just not doing it in the right order. So, you know, what I really focus on in teaching people is you have to calm the brain and teach new skills. That is what works. And we need to just get that message out. And also empower parents. They can teach skills, they can help with calming the brain.
There's many things that they can do, and the belief that a pill is going to fix, it has to be over. I mean, it just has to be over clearly, where it, you know, there's Adderall shortages. People are calling me to do neurofeedback because there's Adderall shortages. They might not have even considered it before, but then they're like natural solutions for ADHD and they find neurofeedback.
So what is exciting for me is that I am doing more and more education for parents about natural solutions, and we now realized people, not everybody can do neurofeedback. And I wanted other options. So we have our CALM PEMF™, I'll explain what the device is that's really portable and accessible. Great for many kids who maybe can't sit and do certain therapies.
Maybe they're, you know, have a level of cognitive impairment. They're dysregulated in some way, shape or form. And as well as we are much anticipated and much asked for a supplement line called Neurotastic. So we're really excited about it. And I love the name, and it's going to be four kids, but it's a family supplement line.
And one, you know, the whole family will be able to use these supplements. They'll be in powder form to make it accessible and easy to dose. I know everybody wants a gummy, but gummies don't have enough punch in them to really deliver the high, what the high level of minerals and nutrients our kids need. So I'm really excited. This is something I've been working on a long time and, and I'm happy to be helping other people in ways that science shows us works.
Tara Hunkin:
That's, it's amazing. And that that's, I mean, obviously you're creating all these things that parents have been looking for for a really long time. So very accessible solutions to these, these problems, those supplements are always the challenge of getting them into, and then also,
like you said, getting the dosage appropriately for, for what our kids need. So we'll have to talk about that another time, once that's all ready to go. Yes, I, so let's talk about though PEMF, can you tell us what exactly is PEMF and why it's something that we should all know more about?
Dr. Capanna-Hodge:
Yes. Well, I'm going to tell you, I do it every day. And even my teenager and 12 year old use PEMF on their own without asking. And my cats like it. We'll leave it at that, but, but pulse, it's pulse electromagnetic field therapy, right? And it's based on this, and there's all different types of devices.
They're FDA regulated. You can't have a PEMF device that the FDA hasn't approved. So this is technology that's been around a little over three decades. So it's much, we say it's much younger than neurofeedback, and it's, it's different. So I'm really into brain tools, neurofeedback, biofeedback, different types of neurofeedback. And please know, everyone's going to say, oh, what about this type of neurofeedback?
What about this type of PEMF? You know, there's a right thing for each person, but ultimately these things all work to common and regulate the brain. And that is a big belief in what I see with our kids with behavioral and mental health issues and neurodevelopmental issues. They're dysregulated nervous systems for variety of reasons, and we'll talk about that.
But PEMF, what is it? So it's based on frequency theory and field theory. So we know that there are certain frequencies associated with just about everything. So, so for example, a strawberry has a certain frequency that your brain, when it tastes, it knows it's a strawberry. So frequency work is used in food science where they have natural flavorings, they attach a strawberry frequency to goop.
So the goop isn't unnatural, but your, it's putting that same frequency and your brain recognize it as strawberry, which is kind of interesting. So that's not what this device does, but, but since we know the frequencies, for example of, I have one of my, I have five types of devices, same device, five clinical or symptom related issues.
So I have one that's attention and you know, learning. And so what I put in that device is the frequencies associated with attentional issues, right? And all of my devices have something that addresses the gut brain connection, MTHFR genetic mutations, sleep, stress, detoxification and genetics components related to infections.
So no matter which type they have. So we now know with PEMF, there's certain frequencies that are going to help the body get rid of disharmonious frequencies, particularly related to EMFs. But other areas, so for example, in the, you know, related to the gut, I'm sending in a frequency that cancels out unhealthy frequencies that disrupt the gut.
It comes in with a corrective frequency and it teaches the cell to act in a healthier manner. It changes the health and the function of the cell. So it works on a cellular level. That's the first thing PEMF does, which is really kind of cool. And then two, what it does is PEMF calms the nervous system. It takes you from a sympathetic dominant or even a higher level close to parasympathetic.
It's just going to take you down into that relaxed, parasympathetic state. That's why I use it every day, even though I'm a really happy person, I'm a spouse and we need time, right? We need to regulate. And then the third super powerful thing that it does, which pretty much I've only met one autistic that doesn't have MTHFR, but all of us need detoxification support. So the power in PEMF is, it supports the detoxification, reduces inflammation.
So it's changing the way the cells work. It's bringing your nervous system into a relaxed, parasympathetic state. And it's supporting detoxification and reducing inflammation. These are major factors in physical and mental health. And what I love and why we created this device, and this is a technology, I've been using this technology and people will say, what about AmpCoil? What about BEMER? All those other things there, there's nothing bad about them, they're just general frequencies.
And the general frequencies are just going to regulate your nervous system. They're going to support health in particular, you know, in general, like, oh, I feel better. And things, they're, they're great. There's nothing wrong with them. This is designed for people who, who got their stuff, right? So, you know, I have one for infections and toxins for my PANS people and my Lyme people.
I have one for anxiety and stress, another for mood and behavior and autism. And then a straight OCD one, which we haven't even put in production because basically all my OCD people got PANS. So, so, and I, and we still, you know, and people can buy this direct, they don't have to come into our center.
And so it's designed very, very specifically to go after the disharmonious frequencies that are associated with those issues. Now we're not going to fix your PANS and PANDAS, you're still going to need to address the infections. You're still going to, you need family support. This is a tool, this is something that's really helpful.
But what I know about PEMF, because I've been using it for eight and a half years, is, you know, we have the one with the big pads like BEMER and AmpCoil, nobody uses it. They buy it and it sits in a room. With our PEMF comes with a fanny pack. Yes, you literally just put it in your fanny pack. You can wear it around your waist, you can do it cross body, you can pop it in your pocket, you know, you just don't want to get this wet or go in extreme heat.
It has six different protocols specific to different issues that we kind of mentioned. And each one's a little different of course, but each one has a different time length. So you have a one hour, two hour, and eight hour, because guess what, some of my dysregulated kids won't do anything. So a parents put this on them when they're sleeping and it works to correct.
So ultimately in the end, PEMF is a therapy that's designed to change the way the cells work and calm and regulate that nervous system and get detoxification going. This is just, it's all the protocols are designed by me. They've all been tested over those eight years 'cause the master equipment, and it's just, it's our tagline is be calm anywhere, anytime,
because you can just pop it in your pocket. Some of my kids, some of my adults use it before they go to work, sometimes they use it right when they get home from school. So it gives you an ability and everybody in the family can use it. You know, there's, there's going to always be a, a calm ring protocol. It's called CALM PEMF™.
So who can't benefit from that? So I'm excited. I know I listened to what people wanted and I really worked with our, the company we've been using for all these years in our center, having worked with thousands of people, they've really have benefited from the PEMF.
Tara Hunkin:
So, so when people I think first hear about PEMF, they get, they get caught up on the EMF part. So they've been—
Dr. Capanna-Hodge:
That's right.
Tara Hunkin:
Told to, to get away from the electromagnetic frequencies. So tell me or tell us all about what the difference is between PEMF and the EMFs that they've been told to stay away from.
Dr. Capanna-Hodge:
Yes, yes. So at the most basic level, EMFs are unhealthy frequencies, right? They come from 5g, they come from all different types of electromagnetic activity. They're unhealthy, they actually really affect ourselves. And when I mentioned there are a variety of reasons why have such a rise in mental health and neurodevelopmental disorders, there's a lot of reasons. Bad food, you know, you know, genetic mutations that are happening.
EMFs, too much tech, I mean stress, I mean so many reasons we couldn't even go go into it, right? But EMFs are unhealthy frequency. EMF are are, we are using known healthy frequencies to talk to the cell and get the cell to change. And you know, they're, I think people when they think about, you know,
brainwaves with neurofeedback and neurotransmitters and cells, if somebody's listening or watching and they're realizing, wait, what do you mean there's other ways to impact those things other than medication?
Tara Hunkin:
Yes. I mean there's so many things. You know, even smiling at somebody has a massive impact on neurotransmitter activity. I mean there's just so many positive ways that we can do that.
So this is taking out and essentially canceling and cleaning out disharmonious frequencies and coming in with corrective frequencies that are healthy to get the cells to communicate and function properly.
Yes, so I mean that makes a lot of sense when you explain it that way. What do you hear from your patients when they, like you've said you use it, your family use it, so obviously you like the impact it has, but what, what are, how do people feel after their first session of, of using a PEMF device?
Dr. Capanna-Hodge:
So I would say that 90% of people experience one thing, and that's why it's called CALM PEMF™. They feel calm. Like, you know, I, even when I do the focus one,
it makes me chill. So I have to do mine later in the day. You see me at work, like I stick it, I stick it on my shoulder like close. So our device, it must, it, it should be ideally be, you know, placed near your heart or around your stomach for, for best deliverability, again, I use it all the time so sometimes I pop it in my pocket,
but most people are so stressed that when it pulls you down into a parasympathetic and I think all of us can relate, whether you're using breath work or something, you just feel relief, you feel uplifting. When I first started PEMF eight and a half years ago, I had this big thing in the center with all these pads and all this other stuff.
We had to quickly get a second one in like one month because people would come out, looked liking, looking like, you know, they had, you know, had this fabulous massage and the other people were like, what is that? I want that. And we had to actually build out and change our like physical components of our center to accommodate.
And, and you know, as you mentioned, we're pretty much today we're about 85% virtual is what we are. And we send people equipment whether they buy PEMF or you know, they're doing remote neurofeedback so they feel calm. Now the other 10% of people including like one of our office staff, Molly's a perfect example of this. She says,
I feel nothing when I do it, but I know it works. So for her, she uses it like I do when I feel like I'm coming down with something, she says it stops and in its tracks. So for her, so there's some people that get the physical benefit but they don't necessarily really feel the relaxation. Now she's a pretty chill person,
you know, so she may not feel it in that same way and, and sometimes just, it doesn't matter what brain tool I'm using, a lot of times when their, the parents are talking to their kids or like, do you notice anything? Well our kids are kind of disconnected sometimes and they can't always say it. You have to look at what's actually changing,
right? But there are definitely physical be and behavioral and mental health benefits of using PEMF and, and people report positive things and you gotta use it. So we made it accessible because if you were, you know, getting a big pad and you're not using it multiple times in a week, it's just not going to do its job.
So this is like, you know, I'm like put it in your, your iPhone people, like at 7:00 PM that you gotta use it or whatever it is. So, like I said, I use mine a lot at night 'cause I need to chill out. Like again, not in an unhappy chill out, a spa chill out.
Tara Hunkin:
Yes, exactly. So, so a lot of people will hear about devices like this and then say I, you know, they are FDA approved. So let's talk a little bit more about the science behind them and that research that's, that's been going on so that they've been around for 30 years. What research is out there on the impacts of PEMF and obviously the safety, I mean FDA is really about, it's about safety, safety.
Dr. Capanna-Hodge:
Safety. Yes. Yes, yes. So let's talk, start with safety 'cause that's easy. So if somebody has a magnetic device like a pacemaker or shunt, this is not the right device for you definitely no on a pacemaker, shunt you would have to get approval. Like I've had people get approval from their neurologist, it is safe. What are typical side effects that people experience?
So this is a very powerful detoxer. So people have to start slow. Like some people get it and they're like, I started the eight hour cycle. I've like, you've clearly ignored the video and the guide that goes with it and it needs a, you know, it needs to be done slowly because of the detox. So you can get normal detox reactions,
which anytime that happens you just back off and you go a little slower, right? So, you know, maybe doing one hour every other day and then you build up to it kind of a thing. Other than that, really, there's not too many, you know, some people get very relaxed, so it's not a great idea to do it when you're driving all these kind of disclaimers.
So let's talk about the research. So this does not have the tens of thousands of research studies that you know of neurofeedback, but there's some really nice research, everything from autoimmune functioning, actually looking at what's happening to the cell, improving cellular function. There's some great research studies with memory and learning and there's a lot of research with anxiety and stress. I would say that out of everything, there's just a lot related to stress because anything that's going to support cellular and autonomic nervous system function means we're going to have stress reduction.
And you know, anecdotally, you know, some of the places that I've used it the most, I mean I added PEMF to my practice for one reason because I had all these people with Lyme and PANS coming to me from all over the place.
And I could always get people better with neurofeedback because once your nervous system is regulated, you know, why am I all about calm brain, happy family, psycho immunology. So we know that if the nervous system is disregulated and in an activated state that the body cannot physically heal itself in the same way it's not allowed.
So once you're activated all your resources, your immune system, your neurotransmitters, everything hormones goes over to try to figure out what this stressor is, once your nervous system is calm, it can actually do its work. Nutrient levels start getting better, brain waves start getting better. And guess what, if you have infections, your immune system can start working. So when people would come to me and I am one of those first people that I believe that everybody can get better, the degree of getting better is different.
But I absolutely wholeheartedly, and I don't accept when you, if I am your provider, that that's not going to happen. Right? And that might even be family ecosystem stuff. Like I might have a family that, you know, one of the moms is, you know, or dad is too negative. Like you don't come to me and get to get away with that.
Like, you know, we're, you're here because we're going to make everything better. And that's including not just right now, but for future generations. So what would, what happened was, Tara is I had people that, you know, I could to a certain point and I just couldn't go further. And then I learned about PEMF and I got to experience what one person who had Parkinson's,
who was a friend of mine who had vocal Parkinson's and we were on a call 'cause we were on a board together. And I said to him, what are you doing? You got your voice back? And he said, stay on, I'm going to talk to you after. And he talked to me about PEMF and then I quickly decided I wanted to do it.
So when I added it to my practice, it was really to support those people where who were treatment resistant. You know, my autistics, my PANS/PANDAS, my Lyme, were just, again, I got 'em better but not functional enough. You know, I like to get people as far as I can go, right?
Because we know all the biohacks, like we, you know, everything I do is science. So when I added it, it was pretty miraculous. I mean, some of the things that I was seeing was just like, you know, like it was just incredible what, you know, what people were experiencing in terms of symptom relief and you know, changing, you know, like people that had chronic gut infections that couldn't get better.
I worked with a colleague of mine, her mother had MS and no medication could stop the lesions. So we not only stopped the lesions, but we reversed some of them. That was an awesome one that should be written up because we've pre, mid, and post CAT scans with it. And it was the only thing that she did.
But really truly, it's, it's been one of the most useful tools for my PANS kids and my people with OCD and really anybody who's just got that just absolute stuck in rev nervous system that is just not letting them heal. And sometimes when people are so treatment resistant, we did, we did PEMF and I had different versions of this, right?
So we would send them with the home one, back in the day we had this big pad that we would send to people and we would do it at home and it, it just turned the doubt softens, right? So if I have a kid who's treatment resistant because they're not feeling well or they're just too, too dysregulated, what are we going to do? Right?
Tara Hunkin:
Yes, no it's, it's, it's really interesting to hear you say that because actually when you go to, well, I know that from my personal experience, even with my own children, like, so I always say that, you know, for example, digestion and gut issues, you know, we can, we can do all the things just like you said, to support them so we can supplement them and give them the enzymes or give them, you know, support with hydrochloric acid and PEPs and all the things you can do, but you want to ultimately get to the point point where you don't need to do that anymore.
And but without fixing that nervous system component, those things seem to never be able to be fixed entirely. They always need that ongoing support. So when you can find something that down rate regulates that nervous system and retrains the nervous system like you did through neurofeedback and then found through PEMF and in a way that's so non-invasive.
Dr. Capanna-Hodge:
So It's just so convenient.
Tara Hunkin:
Yes.
Dr. Capanna-Hodge:
And easy, you know, like my teenagers and college kids, they're, they're using this on their own, you know, and it's been a great resource for many, but you're right. And you know, the other thing we have to accept about regulating our nervous system, it's an evolutionary journey. Like you don't regulate your nervous system and guess what? Life is perfect.
You need to have a resource where you can, you know, use this when real life happens, right? So Tara and I for this call, we were just talking about normal stressors and you know, last night I had this like sitting over here in a, in a, I was interviewing somebody to come work in our center and she was like, don't forget about that. And I was like, oh don't you worry honey. I always got a PEMF stuck in me some,
you know, somewhere in my pocket or wherever. And it, it's important that we recognize that there are even just like, you know, so frequencies are really interesting 'cause there's, there's all types of science behind, you know, I talked about food science and then there's energy frequencies and you know, I am an energy sensitive and I can feel when people are dysregulated around me,
I'm, I'm able to manage it because I take such good care of myself and my nervous system. But you know, our kids are very sensitive. Like my kids are both empaths. One is like me, he can just let it flow through. He can block people like it's nobody's business. And then my other kid who's a PANS kid, boy it can dysregulate him.
And so giving the nervous system a grounding and anchor is what I like to call it. That's what I view PEMF as. That's why I feel like it's very powerful for me. I mean certainly as somebody, I'm an Epstein–Barr girl and got it as a teenager and it really helps me because that, that interplay between those toxins that are,
you're constantly bombarded with infections, you know, parasites, all these things that we all sort of have in our system and you don't know until you go looking. We having a nervous system that's regulated allows our body to do its work and do the other things. Like you said, you know, not having to have, you know, the the the pill closet,
you know, I should say the supplement closet out on your, not even out in your closet to have the big bin on your kitchen counter.
Tara Hunkin:
Yes, well and most of the parents that are listening to that, I mean they'll, they'll, they'll go and they'll go and they'll be given all these supplements and, and I, I, you know, we've all been there at one point in time. Another, if you had this kind of a journey and sometimes you need to be there for a little bit—
Dr. Capanna-Hodge:
—oh you definitely need to be there.
And that's not, but, but you want to get to that point where like you said, the body has the ability to do what it's supposed to do if things are,
everything's working properly. But I do think that it is in the, this day and age, it is really hard to escape the amount of stressors that are in our environment and use all the things, right And still be bombarded just living, if you live in a urban area, you're constantly bombarded by all the wifi because you can't, you can't limit what your neighbors do.
There's only so much you can do about things like that. So we have to have tools in our toolbox that, that can help us mitigate those things that we can't control. And also even trying to stress about controlling all those things, not a good thing either.
Dr. Capanna-Hodge:
Yes.
Tara Hunkin:
So there's that between.
Dr. Capanna-Hodge:
And Tara, I'm sure you're like me, like you know, I go for massage, I go for these other things or whatever, but ultimately in the end that's wonderful. But I always say you need 10 minutes more a day where you are actively regulating your nervous system. So you know it's okay if it's not PEMF, but then is your kid going to do 10 minutes of breath work or yoga or something?
Maybe they will, that's great. But you know, life is so busy. I was like, you know, and I still believe very much a neurofeedback to directly train, you know, the difference between the two is I'm directly manipulating brain function. I can say this area where, you know, I'm treating a girl right now who was treatment resistant,
you know, for 10 years and then, you know, now she comes in, she's doing amazing and has all had as a history of a lot of mental complex mental health things. And so she, her anxiety is better, her mood is better, having really great success. And she said to me as an 18 year old, I am struggling with memory and I think I've always had a memory problem.
And, and we had talked, I said, I think you're actually learning disabled and I think everyone has sort of missed this 'cause you're always distressed. So I said we're going to train right in that area. Right? So and Angie has the attention memory PEMF, so everything is sort of working together. That's a very specific case. Not everybody needs to do both.
You gotta do what you can. But technology to support the brain functioning is making it a lot easier to do it in a safe and natural way and in a way that gets to the root issue because you know, medication does not correct brain function. Medication is required in order, you know, on a constant basis in order for it to work. And there is not one psychiatric medication,
not one that doesn't have a toxicity component and does not have a side effect. So most people do a benefit cost analysis and decide, you know, what is it worth it or not. And no judgment. I never want anybody to make another parent feel bad. We already feel bad enough as it is. But I want people to know that my personal professional appearance,
you know, experience and an opinion over 30 years of working with people, doing the reading, doing the research, is that it should never be the first line of defense. And we're having this awesome conversation because people are probably here realizing it didn't work. But I don't want people to feel hopeless and realize there are many brain tools and they're fantastic and E M F is something that I've been passionate about for the last eight years.
And I love this because it's accessible and it's realistic in being able to do it. You know, I have every tool known to man in my house.
Tara Hunkin:
Me too.
Dr. Capanna-Hodge:
And I got two of the pad versions of this. Okay. Now it's funny, my 12 year old likes the pad version, so it's a, I don't know, he likes that version.
So he sets it up, I see him and Sunday I came down, or Saturday I came down and it was early and he had set it up and he said, mom, I'm coming down with something. And I thought, oh God, I'm, I'm, I feel it was one of those proud mama moments. Yes. Like I didn't have to ask him to do it. He did it. Yes. Pretty cool. And he knows, he knows it helps him.
Tara Hunkin:
Yes. And I think that's the one thing that I think all of us that work with kids like that, but also that have kids that have those challenges, the the, the best thing we can do is get them to learn to listen to their bodies and then know what's impacting them positively,
negatively. 'Cause they're not going to always make the best choices. But if they can recognize that that choice is not the best choice for them because as they grow, they get to make all these choices, then at least they have that, that recognition and then they can take different, make different choices the next time if they choose.
Dr. Capanna-Hodge:
So I love that. And amen. So yes, that is a hundred percent, it's a beautiful thing when they start to make the somatic that connection to their body of what they know, you know, and it's not us chasing them, chasing around, you know, so, no, it's insane.
Tara Hunkin:
Yes. We gotta teach them to make those good choices and, and also we have to live with them when they're not making all the best choices as they go through the teenage years.
Dr. Capanna-Hodge:
Well, and you know what I, it's funny, you know, as somebody who's only ever been holistic and you know, as a teenager I see him testing out some of his own choices and you know, like I said to him, you know, he's, he's really very reactive and it, he waited dairy and, and he,
I said, so you know, you're going out with grandpa and you're having dairy. And I said, how do you feel? And he goes, you know, I've made it. He goes, oh mom, it's really clear when I have dairy I'm angry. So I said, what are you going to do about it? He's like, well, I'm not going to have it. Great. I'm glad you're listening to your body is what I said.
Tara Hunkin:
Yes. And like you said, it's proud, proud moment when they, they do that because you know that finally like all, all these years of having those conversations,
Dr. Capanna-Hodge:
Oh, and he gave me grief. The other one's a believer, he's a converter, you know, he's already talking to, he's like, those kids, they don't eat for their brain mommy. And I'm like, you're, you're, I'm like, you know, it's great. He believes in it. So he's also a serious foodie so he doesn't buy into junk food. He's like, this is terrible. You know, so.
Tara Hunkin:
That's awesome.
Dr. Capanna-Hodge:
It is awesome. It just means though that like I have to pay for Kobe beef. We're going to a fancy restaurant.
Tara Hunkin:
I was just, it becomes it, it's a blessing and a curse all in one, but I'd rather have that than the other. So it's all good.
Dr. Capanna-Hodge:
Absolutely. And you pay more for food and less for healthcare. So ultimately in the end—
Tara Hunkin:
It all works out really well. For sure.
Dr. Capanna-Hodge:
It's for sure. Yes, absolutely.
Tara Hunkin:
So why don't, can you tell everybody where where they can find you and the device and if they're, if they're interested in looking into it further themselves?
Dr. Capanna-Hodge:
Yes, so super easy. You can just go to www.drroseann.com, it's D R R O S E A N N.com and you can find out, you can find the device there. It'd be right on the webpage and you can learn more about it. And we have videos there and lots of information and you can decide and, and a lot of times people want to get on the phone with one of our,
you know, awesome team people to decide what's best for them 'cause they don't know. What I've also learned is that even I've created crossover protocols, people have kids with multiple issues in their families. So it is definitely a family device at some families. Like so for example, if you got a PANS kid, you got an infection toxin kid, your kid's autistic and they still have infection.
You're getting the one with infections and toxins that trumps everything else that's got anxiety built in. It's got a little OCD built in, it's got a little rage built in and if infections or toxins are driving what's going on. That's, that's what has to be. So, but I certainly do a lot of that and I do a, I I'd say our biggest ones are anxiety and stress. The attention and memory and the, and the infections and toxins. Those are our three most popular ones that we have.
Tara Hunkin:
Yes, that's really nice that you do have someone to get on the phone with because we, when you look at the devices, you're like, I don't know which one would be the best one 'cause I've got a little, I've definitely got that going on and that going on.
Dr. Capanna-Hodge:
Yes. And that going well and it, and It's, and it's an investment, you know, this is, this is something that a another company spent years developing, you know, and technology is, is not, is not inexpensive. So people make a choice but it's something forever.
And again, people can use it in the whole family and and it is for real that my cats love PEMF. They sit on the mat and want us to turn it on. It's crazy. My other cat loves to do sauna too.
Tara Hunkin:
Yes.
Dr. Capanna-Hodge:
So he comes in the sauna with me.
Tara Hunkin:
That's awesome. Yes. Well it's funny 'cause I, in my, my eldest horseback rider and they use PEMF with horses all the time that's been used in equine medicine for probably all 30 years.
Dr. Capanna-Hodge:
And acupuncture and, and acupuncture as well.
Tara Hunkin:
Yes. And laser.
Dr. Capanna-Hodge:
It does rapid healing too. So like I remember I had a surgery and then I went into the doctor and he was like startled and I was like, what happened? He goes, what did you do? You look like you're three and a half weeks out and you're five weeks out.
What did you do? And I was like PEMF and Arnica. Yes. And I didn't take any of your drugs. Yes. And he was like, wow, you know, it was kind of, it was good. So yes. You know, and it's all about, you know, creating a healing response in the body and cells,
you know, again, everything is, you know, cells, what is, what creates us right? Is all of that. We need good cellular health and so many of our kids, including my 12 year old, has mitochondrial issues and we need to be more protective of ourselves. It's a root cause for a lot of things.
Tara Hunkin:
Yes, no, I love that 'cause that is something we talk about a lot here because that, that is, I mean we don't have healthy mitochondrial and a lot of the kids do have mitochondrial dysfunction in this, this, this space. So without that, anything to support cellular health is going to be, is going to help, like you said, even, you know,
regulate the nervous system and then create an environment for healing because the body then can, can do what it's supposed to do.
Dr. Capanna-Hodge:
So yes, and it, and it, you know, it's where, you know, our energy is for just muscle function. I mean it's so, so important. It helps protect us later for things like cancer when cells, you know, you have unhealthy cellular activity and stuff, not to freak anybody out, but healthy cells, we, you know, food impacts us.
Diet, lifestyle, there's lots of ways to help us with ourselves and PEMF is another one, but it directly through research shows us that it impacts how the cells function and the health of the cells.
So I think that's really awesome. A lot of it's rat research, but you know, maybe it could be horse research here,
Tara Hunkin:
But so most of it, yes, it might be rat research, but we know that most, most everything else is rats and mice anyway too.
Dr. Capanna-Hodge:
The research, I know, not that, but it's amazing with equine stuff because those are such expensive animals, man, do they use the best therapies and treatments there?
Tara Hunkin:
Well the other thing that's interesting about it is obviously there's no placebo effect. The horse doesn't know what you're doing.
So when they improve after using those devices, you know, they're working the same thing with laser, laser therapy or like you said acupuncturist, all the things, anytime you're working with animals and they have a positive response, you know, it's, it's the therapy. It's not, 'cause it's, it's, you know, we know it's not, it's not,
Dr. Capanna-Hodge:
—They don't have the same cognitive functioning. They're not talking to the, you know, they don't. They dunno, it's a PEMF.
Tara Hunkin:
They just think it's a horse blanket. They don't, they don't know and they don't think they're regular boots that they're being put on. Yes. So, but you can see them. Like, that's actually the cool part too. When you talk about that down regulation of the nervous system, you can just see them sink into it and just relax and Oh yes. It's, it's amazing to watch. That's why your cats love it so much.
Dr. Capanna-Hodge:
Can't do it at like 9:00 AM 'cause I'm like, hey, let's relax. You know—
Tara Hunkin:
It's the perfect thing right before bedtime, that's for sure.
Dr. Capanna-Hodge:
Perfect thing. Right before bedtime. Especially with our busy minds, Tara.
Tara Hunkin:
Exactly.
Dr. Capanna-Hodge:
All of us have busy minds and I think, you know, so it's a great tool. I love it. I wish more people would consider it out of not just the effectiveness of it, but for what we created, the convenience of it. And you know, when, especially when your kids are little and you're just going to so many therapies. Yes. You're like, how, you know, I have a mom who works with us and she's mom of five, she homeschools her kids and four have autism.
Wow. So, you know, she's like, got two of these and she's just rotating 'em around her and her husband and the kids. And they, and I love every minute of it, you know, that she's, she's doing that and I'm like, make sure you're doing it for yourself. She's like, don't you worry Dr. Roe makes me calm. I'm going to do it.
You know, and I'm like, you need every ounce you can get honey. You should be like a warrior. Yes. Now you're my mom of fives and the fifth one isn't neurotypical either, but he's not autistic.
Tara Hunkin:
That's a lot. That is a lot.
Dr. Capanna-Hodge:
She's doing it with a smile and the kids, you know, amazing. And yes, has 21 therapy appointments a week.
Tara Hunkin:
That sounds about right because do the math on that one, but that's, that's impressive. So a device like impressive, this would come in. Super, super handy.
Dr. Capanna-Hodge:
Super handy for sure.
Tara Hunkin:
I can't thank you enough for spending time with us again today and excited to, to chat soon again about the next step and the next thing that you have available for parents.
Again, if you are looking for Dr. Rowe, go to www.drroseann.com, so D R R O S E A N N.com. The links are on the, in the show notes for this episode. So either on your, on our, our website or on your podcast platform of choice. And thank you again for spending the time with us today, but also for sharing your wealth of knowledge and continue to bring things to the market that help the families that are so desperately in need.
Dr. Capanna-Hodge:
Thank You for this conversation. I really appreciate it and I know that wherever parents are is exactly where they need to be. They just need to take one step towards natural solutions.
Tara Hunkin:
Thanks everybody for joining us today and I look forward to seeing you on the next episode of the My Child Will Thrive podcast.
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Now on with the show. Hi everyone. I am excited to welcome back today on the My Child Will Thrive podcast, Dr. Roseanne or Dr. Roe, we like to call her around here. Dr. Roe came to us I guess it was last year when she, she had her book, It's Gonna Be OK, that came out.
So you'll—
Dr. Capanna-Hodge:
I'm so glad you have it. And it's right there.
Tara Hunkin:
I do, I do. It's right here. So those of you watching, you can see the book. So I am thrilled to have her back because she is a mental health trailblazer. She's the founder of The Global Institute of Children’s Mental Health and Dr. Roseann, LLC who is on a mission to change the way we view and treat mental health, showing people it's going to, it's going to be okay with science backed tools that improve wellbeing.
She's known for teaching how to calm the brain in order to have a happy family and giving the keys to unlock the brain's potential. With her trademarked method, BrainBehaviorReset™, has helped thousands address the most challenging conditions such as ADHD, executive functioning anxiety, OCD, mood, Lyme, and PANS and PANDAS, using science-backed holistic therapies.
She is the author of the first ever book on teletherapy activities for child and adolescent therapists, “Teletherapy Toolkit™” and as I just mentioned, she's also the author of It’s Gonna be OK!™, which gives parents step-by-step solutions for their struggling kids with her books,
Natural Parenting Solutions, Facebook Group is also her group and she has a remote. So those of you listening who aren't in her area and and are interested in neurofeedback, she has a remote neurofeedback program. She's a media personality and she's often featured in dozens of media assets such as Fox, CBS, NBC, PARENTS, and New York Times on last,
but certainly not least. So great to have you back here with me today to talk all about PEMF, which we're going to define and go into all that, but, and so tell me a little bit about, first of all, about how this past year has been since the launch of the book, and I we're going to talk about a new device that you have as well. What's getting you really excited about the work that you're doing right now?
Dr. Capanna-Hodge:
Yes, Well, I think, you know, for both of us as we're here supporting so many parents of kids that have neurodivergence, right? As well as on my end, specific mental health issues, you know, I think people are realizing that mental health is important.
At the same time, mental health is a full on crisis across the globe, not just America anymore, even though I feel like we're not, I feel like the statistics show us that there's quite a bit of kids, you know, percentage wide, I mean, across the globe we have 14% of 10 to 19 year olds who have a mental health issue.
And in the United States, 50% of kids who are actually diagnosed don't get help. So we're in a crisis. So I'm not excited about that. But what I am excited about is people are realizing that traditional allopathic paths, you know, medication and standard talk therapy isn't moving the dial. Even though I'm a hu, you know, I'm a trained, you know, therapist and I believe very much in therapy,
we're just not doing it in the right order. So, you know, what I really focus on in teaching people is you have to calm the brain and teach new skills. That is what works. And we need to just get that message out. And also empower parents. They can teach skills, they can help with calming the brain.
There's many things that they can do, and the belief that a pill is going to fix, it has to be over. I mean, it just has to be over clearly, where it, you know, there's Adderall shortages. People are calling me to do neurofeedback because there's Adderall shortages. They might not have even considered it before, but then they're like natural solutions for ADHD and they find neurofeedback.
So what is exciting for me is that I am doing more and more education for parents about natural solutions, and we now realized people, not everybody can do neurofeedback. And I wanted other options. So we have our CALM PEMF™, I'll explain what the device is that's really portable and accessible. Great for many kids who maybe can't sit and do certain therapies.
Maybe they're, you know, have a level of cognitive impairment. They're dysregulated in some way, shape or form. And as well as we are much anticipated and much asked for a supplement line called Neurotastic. So we're really excited about it. And I love the name, and it's going to be four kids, but it's a family supplement line.
And one, you know, the whole family will be able to use these supplements. They'll be in powder form to make it accessible and easy to dose. I know everybody wants a gummy, but gummies don't have enough punch in them to really deliver the high, what the high level of minerals and nutrients our kids need. So I'm really excited. This is something I've been working on a long time and, and I'm happy to be helping other people in ways that science shows us works.
Tara Hunkin:
That's, it's amazing. And that that's, I mean, obviously you're creating all these things that parents have been looking for for a really long time. So very accessible solutions to these, these problems, those supplements are always the challenge of getting them into, and then also,
like you said, getting the dosage appropriately for, for what our kids need. So we'll have to talk about that another time, once that's all ready to go. Yes, I, so let's talk about though PEMF, can you tell us what exactly is PEMF and why it's something that we should all know more about?
Dr. Capanna-Hodge:
Yes. Well, I'm going to tell you, I do it every day. And even my teenager and 12 year old use PEMF on their own without asking. And my cats like it. We'll leave it at that, but, but pulse, it's pulse electromagnetic field therapy, right? And it's based on this, and there's all different types of devices.
They're FDA regulated. You can't have a PEMF device that the FDA hasn't approved. So this is technology that's been around a little over three decades. So it's much, we say it's much younger than neurofeedback, and it's, it's different. So I'm really into brain tools, neurofeedback, biofeedback, different types of neurofeedback. And please know, everyone's going to say, oh, what about this type of neurofeedback?
What about this type of PEMF? You know, there's a right thing for each person, but ultimately these things all work to common and regulate the brain. And that is a big belief in what I see with our kids with behavioral and mental health issues and neurodevelopmental issues. They're dysregulated nervous systems for variety of reasons, and we'll talk about that.
But PEMF, what is it? So it's based on frequency theory and field theory. So we know that there are certain frequencies associated with just about everything. So, so for example, a strawberry has a certain frequency that your brain, when it tastes, it knows it's a strawberry. So frequency work is used in food science where they have natural flavorings, they attach a strawberry frequency to goop.
So the goop isn't unnatural, but your, it's putting that same frequency and your brain recognize it as strawberry, which is kind of interesting. So that's not what this device does, but, but since we know the frequencies, for example of, I have one of my, I have five types of devices, same device, five clinical or symptom related issues.
So I have one that's attention and you know, learning. And so what I put in that device is the frequencies associated with attentional issues, right? And all of my devices have something that addresses the gut brain connection, MTHFR genetic mutations, sleep, stress, detoxification and genetics components related to infections.
So no matter which type they have. So we now know with PEMF, there's certain frequencies that are going to help the body get rid of disharmonious frequencies, particularly related to EMFs. But other areas, so for example, in the, you know, related to the gut, I'm sending in a frequency that cancels out unhealthy frequencies that disrupt the gut.
It comes in with a corrective frequency and it teaches the cell to act in a healthier manner. It changes the health and the function of the cell. So it works on a cellular level. That's the first thing PEMF does, which is really kind of cool. And then two, what it does is PEMF calms the nervous system. It takes you from a sympathetic dominant or even a higher level close to parasympathetic.
It's just going to take you down into that relaxed, parasympathetic state. That's why I use it every day, even though I'm a really happy person, I'm a spouse and we need time, right? We need to regulate. And then the third super powerful thing that it does, which pretty much I've only met one autistic that doesn't have MTHFR, but all of us need detoxification support. So the power in PEMF is, it supports the detoxification, reduces inflammation.
So it's changing the way the cells work. It's bringing your nervous system into a relaxed, parasympathetic state. And it's supporting detoxification and reducing inflammation. These are major factors in physical and mental health. And what I love and why we created this device, and this is a technology, I've been using this technology and people will say, what about AmpCoil? What about BEMER? All those other things there, there's nothing bad about them, they're just general frequencies.
And the general frequencies are just going to regulate your nervous system. They're going to support health in particular, you know, in general, like, oh, I feel better. And things, they're, they're great. There's nothing wrong with them. This is designed for people who, who got their stuff, right? So, you know, I have one for infections and toxins for my PANS people and my Lyme people.
I have one for anxiety and stress, another for mood and behavior and autism. And then a straight OCD one, which we haven't even put in production because basically all my OCD people got PANS. So, so, and I, and we still, you know, and people can buy this direct, they don't have to come into our center.
And so it's designed very, very specifically to go after the disharmonious frequencies that are associated with those issues. Now we're not going to fix your PANS and PANDAS, you're still going to need to address the infections. You're still going to, you need family support. This is a tool, this is something that's really helpful.
But what I know about PEMF, because I've been using it for eight and a half years, is, you know, we have the one with the big pads like BEMER and AmpCoil, nobody uses it. They buy it and it sits in a room. With our PEMF comes with a fanny pack. Yes, you literally just put it in your fanny pack. You can wear it around your waist, you can do it cross body, you can pop it in your pocket, you know, you just don't want to get this wet or go in extreme heat.
It has six different protocols specific to different issues that we kind of mentioned. And each one's a little different of course, but each one has a different time length. So you have a one hour, two hour, and eight hour, because guess what, some of my dysregulated kids won't do anything. So a parents put this on them when they're sleeping and it works to correct.
So ultimately in the end, PEMF is a therapy that's designed to change the way the cells work and calm and regulate that nervous system and get detoxification going. This is just, it's all the protocols are designed by me. They've all been tested over those eight years 'cause the master equipment, and it's just, it's our tagline is be calm anywhere, anytime,
because you can just pop it in your pocket. Some of my kids, some of my adults use it before they go to work, sometimes they use it right when they get home from school. So it gives you an ability and everybody in the family can use it. You know, there's, there's going to always be a, a calm ring protocol. It's called CALM PEMF™.
So who can't benefit from that? So I'm excited. I know I listened to what people wanted and I really worked with our, the company we've been using for all these years in our center, having worked with thousands of people, they've really have benefited from the PEMF.
Tara Hunkin:
So, so when people I think first hear about PEMF, they get, they get caught up on the EMF part. So they've been—
Dr. Capanna-Hodge:
That's right.
Tara Hunkin:
Told to, to get away from the electromagnetic frequencies. So tell me or tell us all about what the difference is between PEMF and the EMFs that they've been told to stay away from.
Dr. Capanna-Hodge:
Yes, yes. So at the most basic level, EMFs are unhealthy frequencies, right? They come from 5g, they come from all different types of electromagnetic activity. They're unhealthy, they actually really affect ourselves. And when I mentioned there are a variety of reasons why have such a rise in mental health and neurodevelopmental disorders, there's a lot of reasons. Bad food, you know, you know, genetic mutations that are happening.
EMFs, too much tech, I mean stress, I mean so many reasons we couldn't even go go into it, right? But EMFs are unhealthy frequency. EMF are are, we are using known healthy frequencies to talk to the cell and get the cell to change. And you know, they're, I think people when they think about, you know,
brainwaves with neurofeedback and neurotransmitters and cells, if somebody's listening or watching and they're realizing, wait, what do you mean there's other ways to impact those things other than medication?
Tara Hunkin:
Yes. I mean there's so many things. You know, even smiling at somebody has a massive impact on neurotransmitter activity. I mean there's just so many positive ways that we can do that.
So this is taking out and essentially canceling and cleaning out disharmonious frequencies and coming in with corrective frequencies that are healthy to get the cells to communicate and function properly.
Yes, so I mean that makes a lot of sense when you explain it that way. What do you hear from your patients when they, like you've said you use it, your family use it, so obviously you like the impact it has, but what, what are, how do people feel after their first session of, of using a PEMF device?
Dr. Capanna-Hodge:
So I would say that 90% of people experience one thing, and that's why it's called CALM PEMF™. They feel calm. Like, you know, I, even when I do the focus one,
it makes me chill. So I have to do mine later in the day. You see me at work, like I stick it, I stick it on my shoulder like close. So our device, it must, it, it should be ideally be, you know, placed near your heart or around your stomach for, for best deliverability, again, I use it all the time so sometimes I pop it in my pocket,
but most people are so stressed that when it pulls you down into a parasympathetic and I think all of us can relate, whether you're using breath work or something, you just feel relief, you feel uplifting. When I first started PEMF eight and a half years ago, I had this big thing in the center with all these pads and all this other stuff.
We had to quickly get a second one in like one month because people would come out, looked liking, looking like, you know, they had, you know, had this fabulous massage and the other people were like, what is that? I want that. And we had to actually build out and change our like physical components of our center to accommodate.
And, and you know, as you mentioned, we're pretty much today we're about 85% virtual is what we are. And we send people equipment whether they buy PEMF or you know, they're doing remote neurofeedback so they feel calm. Now the other 10% of people including like one of our office staff, Molly's a perfect example of this. She says,
I feel nothing when I do it, but I know it works. So for her, she uses it like I do when I feel like I'm coming down with something, she says it stops and in its tracks. So for her, so there's some people that get the physical benefit but they don't necessarily really feel the relaxation. Now she's a pretty chill person,
you know, so she may not feel it in that same way and, and sometimes just, it doesn't matter what brain tool I'm using, a lot of times when their, the parents are talking to their kids or like, do you notice anything? Well our kids are kind of disconnected sometimes and they can't always say it. You have to look at what's actually changing,
right? But there are definitely physical be and behavioral and mental health benefits of using PEMF and, and people report positive things and you gotta use it. So we made it accessible because if you were, you know, getting a big pad and you're not using it multiple times in a week, it's just not going to do its job.
So this is like, you know, I'm like put it in your, your iPhone people, like at 7:00 PM that you gotta use it or whatever it is. So, like I said, I use mine a lot at night 'cause I need to chill out. Like again, not in an unhappy chill out, a spa chill out.
Tara Hunkin:
Yes, exactly. So, so a lot of people will hear about devices like this and then say I, you know, they are FDA approved. So let's talk a little bit more about the science behind them and that research that's, that's been going on so that they've been around for 30 years. What research is out there on the impacts of PEMF and obviously the safety, I mean FDA is really about, it's about safety, safety.
Dr. Capanna-Hodge:
Safety. Yes. Yes, yes. So let's talk, start with safety 'cause that's easy. So if somebody has a magnetic device like a pacemaker or shunt, this is not the right device for you definitely no on a pacemaker, shunt you would have to get approval. Like I've had people get approval from their neurologist, it is safe. What are typical side effects that people experience?
So this is a very powerful detoxer. So people have to start slow. Like some people get it and they're like, I started the eight hour cycle. I've like, you've clearly ignored the video and the guide that goes with it and it needs a, you know, it needs to be done slowly because of the detox. So you can get normal detox reactions,
which anytime that happens you just back off and you go a little slower, right? So, you know, maybe doing one hour every other day and then you build up to it kind of a thing. Other than that, really, there's not too many, you know, some people get very relaxed, so it's not a great idea to do it when you're driving all these kind of disclaimers.
So let's talk about the research. So this does not have the tens of thousands of research studies that you know of neurofeedback, but there's some really nice research, everything from autoimmune functioning, actually looking at what's happening to the cell, improving cellular function. There's some great research studies with memory and learning and there's a lot of research with anxiety and stress. I would say that out of everything, there's just a lot related to stress because anything that's going to support cellular and autonomic nervous system function means we're going to have stress reduction.
And you know, anecdotally, you know, some of the places that I've used it the most, I mean I added PEMF to my practice for one reason because I had all these people with Lyme and PANS coming to me from all over the place.
And I could always get people better with neurofeedback because once your nervous system is regulated, you know, why am I all about calm brain, happy family, psycho immunology. So we know that if the nervous system is disregulated and in an activated state that the body cannot physically heal itself in the same way it's not allowed.
So once you're activated all your resources, your immune system, your neurotransmitters, everything hormones goes over to try to figure out what this stressor is, once your nervous system is calm, it can actually do its work. Nutrient levels start getting better, brain waves start getting better. And guess what, if you have infections, your immune system can start working. So when people would come to me and I am one of those first people that I believe that everybody can get better, the degree of getting better is different.
But I absolutely wholeheartedly, and I don't accept when you, if I am your provider, that that's not going to happen. Right? And that might even be family ecosystem stuff. Like I might have a family that, you know, one of the moms is, you know, or dad is too negative. Like you don't come to me and get to get away with that.
Like, you know, we're, you're here because we're going to make everything better. And that's including not just right now, but for future generations. So what would, what happened was, Tara is I had people that, you know, I could to a certain point and I just couldn't go further. And then I learned about PEMF and I got to experience what one person who had Parkinson's,
who was a friend of mine who had vocal Parkinson's and we were on a call 'cause we were on a board together. And I said to him, what are you doing? You got your voice back? And he said, stay on, I'm going to talk to you after. And he talked to me about PEMF and then I quickly decided I wanted to do it.
So when I added it to my practice, it was really to support those people where who were treatment resistant. You know, my autistics, my PANS/PANDAS, my Lyme, were just, again, I got 'em better but not functional enough. You know, I like to get people as far as I can go, right?
Because we know all the biohacks, like we, you know, everything I do is science. So when I added it, it was pretty miraculous. I mean, some of the things that I was seeing was just like, you know, like it was just incredible what, you know, what people were experiencing in terms of symptom relief and you know, changing, you know, like people that had chronic gut infections that couldn't get better.
I worked with a colleague of mine, her mother had MS and no medication could stop the lesions. So we not only stopped the lesions, but we reversed some of them. That was an awesome one that should be written up because we've pre, mid, and post CAT scans with it. And it was the only thing that she did.
But really truly, it's, it's been one of the most useful tools for my PANS kids and my people with OCD and really anybody who's just got that just absolute stuck in rev nervous system that is just not letting them heal. And sometimes when people are so treatment resistant, we did, we did PEMF and I had different versions of this, right?
So we would send them with the home one, back in the day we had this big pad that we would send to people and we would do it at home and it, it just turned the doubt softens, right? So if I have a kid who's treatment resistant because they're not feeling well or they're just too, too dysregulated, what are we going to do? Right?
Tara Hunkin:
Yes, no it's, it's, it's really interesting to hear you say that because actually when you go to, well, I know that from my personal experience, even with my own children, like, so I always say that, you know, for example, digestion and gut issues, you know, we can, we can do all the things just like you said, to support them so we can supplement them and give them the enzymes or give them, you know, support with hydrochloric acid and PEPs and all the things you can do, but you want to ultimately get to the point point where you don't need to do that anymore.
And but without fixing that nervous system component, those things seem to never be able to be fixed entirely. They always need that ongoing support. So when you can find something that down rate regulates that nervous system and retrains the nervous system like you did through neurofeedback and then found through PEMF and in a way that's so non-invasive.
Dr. Capanna-Hodge:
So It's just so convenient.
Tara Hunkin:
Yes.
Dr. Capanna-Hodge:
And easy, you know, like my teenagers and college kids, they're, they're using this on their own, you know, and it's been a great resource for many, but you're right. And you know, the other thing we have to accept about regulating our nervous system, it's an evolutionary journey. Like you don't regulate your nervous system and guess what? Life is perfect.
You need to have a resource where you can, you know, use this when real life happens, right? So Tara and I for this call, we were just talking about normal stressors and you know, last night I had this like sitting over here in a, in a, I was interviewing somebody to come work in our center and she was like, don't forget about that. And I was like, oh don't you worry honey. I always got a PEMF stuck in me some,
you know, somewhere in my pocket or wherever. And it, it's important that we recognize that there are even just like, you know, so frequencies are really interesting 'cause there's, there's all types of science behind, you know, I talked about food science and then there's energy frequencies and you know, I am an energy sensitive and I can feel when people are dysregulated around me,
I'm, I'm able to manage it because I take such good care of myself and my nervous system. But you know, our kids are very sensitive. Like my kids are both empaths. One is like me, he can just let it flow through. He can block people like it's nobody's business. And then my other kid who's a PANS kid, boy it can dysregulate him.
And so giving the nervous system a grounding and anchor is what I like to call it. That's what I view PEMF as. That's why I feel like it's very powerful for me. I mean certainly as somebody, I'm an Epstein–Barr girl and got it as a teenager and it really helps me because that, that interplay between those toxins that are,
you're constantly bombarded with infections, you know, parasites, all these things that we all sort of have in our system and you don't know until you go looking. We having a nervous system that's regulated allows our body to do its work and do the other things. Like you said, you know, not having to have, you know, the the the pill closet,
you know, I should say the supplement closet out on your, not even out in your closet to have the big bin on your kitchen counter.
Tara Hunkin:
Yes, well and most of the parents that are listening to that, I mean they'll, they'll, they'll go and they'll go and they'll be given all these supplements and, and I, I, you know, we've all been there at one point in time. Another, if you had this kind of a journey and sometimes you need to be there for a little bit—
Dr. Capanna-Hodge:
—oh you definitely need to be there.
And that's not, but, but you want to get to that point where like you said, the body has the ability to do what it's supposed to do if things are,
everything's working properly. But I do think that it is in the, this day and age, it is really hard to escape the amount of stressors that are in our environment and use all the things, right And still be bombarded just living, if you live in a urban area, you're constantly bombarded by all the wifi because you can't, you can't limit what your neighbors do.
There's only so much you can do about things like that. So we have to have tools in our toolbox that, that can help us mitigate those things that we can't control. And also even trying to stress about controlling all those things, not a good thing either.
Dr. Capanna-Hodge:
Yes.
Tara Hunkin:
So there's that between.
Dr. Capanna-Hodge:
And Tara, I'm sure you're like me, like you know, I go for massage, I go for these other things or whatever, but ultimately in the end that's wonderful. But I always say you need 10 minutes more a day where you are actively regulating your nervous system. So you know it's okay if it's not PEMF, but then is your kid going to do 10 minutes of breath work or yoga or something?
Maybe they will, that's great. But you know, life is so busy. I was like, you know, and I still believe very much a neurofeedback to directly train, you know, the difference between the two is I'm directly manipulating brain function. I can say this area where, you know, I'm treating a girl right now who was treatment resistant,
you know, for 10 years and then, you know, now she comes in, she's doing amazing and has all had as a history of a lot of mental complex mental health things. And so she, her anxiety is better, her mood is better, having really great success. And she said to me as an 18 year old, I am struggling with memory and I think I've always had a memory problem.
And, and we had talked, I said, I think you're actually learning disabled and I think everyone has sort of missed this 'cause you're always distressed. So I said we're going to train right in that area. Right? So and Angie has the attention memory PEMF, so everything is sort of working together. That's a very specific case. Not everybody needs to do both.
You gotta do what you can. But technology to support the brain functioning is making it a lot easier to do it in a safe and natural way and in a way that gets to the root issue because you know, medication does not correct brain function. Medication is required in order, you know, on a constant basis in order for it to work. And there is not one psychiatric medication,
not one that doesn't have a toxicity component and does not have a side effect. So most people do a benefit cost analysis and decide, you know, what is it worth it or not. And no judgment. I never want anybody to make another parent feel bad. We already feel bad enough as it is. But I want people to know that my personal professional appearance,
you know, experience and an opinion over 30 years of working with people, doing the reading, doing the research, is that it should never be the first line of defense. And we're having this awesome conversation because people are probably here realizing it didn't work. But I don't want people to feel hopeless and realize there are many brain tools and they're fantastic and E M F is something that I've been passionate about for the last eight years.
And I love this because it's accessible and it's realistic in being able to do it. You know, I have every tool known to man in my house.
Tara Hunkin:
Me too.
Dr. Capanna-Hodge:
And I got two of the pad versions of this. Okay. Now it's funny, my 12 year old likes the pad version, so it's a, I don't know, he likes that version.
So he sets it up, I see him and Sunday I came down, or Saturday I came down and it was early and he had set it up and he said, mom, I'm coming down with something. And I thought, oh God, I'm, I'm, I feel it was one of those proud mama moments. Yes. Like I didn't have to ask him to do it. He did it. Yes. Pretty cool. And he knows, he knows it helps him.
Tara Hunkin:
Yes. And I think that's the one thing that I think all of us that work with kids like that, but also that have kids that have those challenges, the the, the best thing we can do is get them to learn to listen to their bodies and then know what's impacting them positively,
negatively. 'Cause they're not going to always make the best choices. But if they can recognize that that choice is not the best choice for them because as they grow, they get to make all these choices, then at least they have that, that recognition and then they can take different, make different choices the next time if they choose.
Dr. Capanna-Hodge:
So I love that. And amen. So yes, that is a hundred percent, it's a beautiful thing when they start to make the somatic that connection to their body of what they know, you know, and it's not us chasing them, chasing around, you know, so, no, it's insane.
Tara Hunkin:
Yes. We gotta teach them to make those good choices and, and also we have to live with them when they're not making all the best choices as they go through the teenage years.
Dr. Capanna-Hodge:
Well, and you know what I, it's funny, you know, as somebody who's only ever been holistic and you know, as a teenager I see him testing out some of his own choices and you know, like I said to him, you know, he's, he's really very reactive and it, he waited dairy and, and he,
I said, so you know, you're going out with grandpa and you're having dairy. And I said, how do you feel? And he goes, you know, I've made it. He goes, oh mom, it's really clear when I have dairy I'm angry. So I said, what are you going to do about it? He's like, well, I'm not going to have it. Great. I'm glad you're listening to your body is what I said.
Tara Hunkin:
Yes. And like you said, it's proud, proud moment when they, they do that because you know that finally like all, all these years of having those conversations,
Dr. Capanna-Hodge:
Oh, and he gave me grief. The other one's a believer, he's a converter, you know, he's already talking to, he's like, those kids, they don't eat for their brain mommy. And I'm like, you're, you're, I'm like, you know, it's great. He believes in it. So he's also a serious foodie so he doesn't buy into junk food. He's like, this is terrible. You know, so.
Tara Hunkin:
That's awesome.
Dr. Capanna-Hodge:
It is awesome. It just means though that like I have to pay for Kobe beef. We're going to a fancy restaurant.
Tara Hunkin:
I was just, it becomes it, it's a blessing and a curse all in one, but I'd rather have that than the other. So it's all good.
Dr. Capanna-Hodge:
Absolutely. And you pay more for food and less for healthcare. So ultimately in the end—
Tara Hunkin:
It all works out really well. For sure.
Dr. Capanna-Hodge:
It's for sure. Yes, absolutely.
Tara Hunkin:
So why don't, can you tell everybody where where they can find you and the device and if they're, if they're interested in looking into it further themselves?
Dr. Capanna-Hodge:
Yes, so super easy. You can just go to www.drroseann.com, it's D R R O S E A N N.com and you can find out, you can find the device there. It'd be right on the webpage and you can learn more about it. And we have videos there and lots of information and you can decide and, and a lot of times people want to get on the phone with one of our,
you know, awesome team people to decide what's best for them 'cause they don't know. What I've also learned is that even I've created crossover protocols, people have kids with multiple issues in their families. So it is definitely a family device at some families. Like so for example, if you got a PANS kid, you got an infection toxin kid, your kid's autistic and they still have infection.
You're getting the one with infections and toxins that trumps everything else that's got anxiety built in. It's got a little OCD built in, it's got a little rage built in and if infections or toxins are driving what's going on. That's, that's what has to be. So, but I certainly do a lot of that and I do a, I I'd say our biggest ones are anxiety and stress. The attention and memory and the, and the infections and toxins. Those are our three most popular ones that we have.
Tara Hunkin:
Yes, that's really nice that you do have someone to get on the phone with because we, when you look at the devices, you're like, I don't know which one would be the best one 'cause I've got a little, I've definitely got that going on and that going on.
Dr. Capanna-Hodge:
Yes. And that going well and it, and It's, and it's an investment, you know, this is, this is something that a another company spent years developing, you know, and technology is, is not, is not inexpensive. So people make a choice but it's something forever.
And again, people can use it in the whole family and and it is for real that my cats love PEMF. They sit on the mat and want us to turn it on. It's crazy. My other cat loves to do sauna too.
Tara Hunkin:
Yes.
Dr. Capanna-Hodge:
So he comes in the sauna with me.
Tara Hunkin:
That's awesome. Yes. Well it's funny 'cause I, in my, my eldest horseback rider and they use PEMF with horses all the time that's been used in equine medicine for probably all 30 years.
Dr. Capanna-Hodge:
And acupuncture and, and acupuncture as well.
Tara Hunkin:
Yes. And laser.
Dr. Capanna-Hodge:
It does rapid healing too. So like I remember I had a surgery and then I went into the doctor and he was like startled and I was like, what happened? He goes, what did you do? You look like you're three and a half weeks out and you're five weeks out.
What did you do? And I was like PEMF and Arnica. Yes. And I didn't take any of your drugs. Yes. And he was like, wow, you know, it was kind of, it was good. So yes. You know, and it's all about, you know, creating a healing response in the body and cells,
you know, again, everything is, you know, cells, what is, what creates us right? Is all of that. We need good cellular health and so many of our kids, including my 12 year old, has mitochondrial issues and we need to be more protective of ourselves. It's a root cause for a lot of things.
Tara Hunkin:
Yes, no, I love that 'cause that is something we talk about a lot here because that, that is, I mean we don't have healthy mitochondrial and a lot of the kids do have mitochondrial dysfunction in this, this, this space. So without that, anything to support cellular health is going to be, is going to help, like you said, even, you know,
regulate the nervous system and then create an environment for healing because the body then can, can do what it's supposed to do.
Dr. Capanna-Hodge:
So yes, and it, and it, you know, it's where, you know, our energy is for just muscle function. I mean it's so, so important. It helps protect us later for things like cancer when cells, you know, you have unhealthy cellular activity and stuff, not to freak anybody out, but healthy cells, we, you know, food impacts us.
Diet, lifestyle, there's lots of ways to help us with ourselves and PEMF is another one, but it directly through research shows us that it impacts how the cells function and the health of the cells.
So I think that's really awesome. A lot of it's rat research, but you know, maybe it could be horse research here,
Tara Hunkin:
But so most of it, yes, it might be rat research, but we know that most, most everything else is rats and mice anyway too.
Dr. Capanna-Hodge:
The research, I know, not that, but it's amazing with equine stuff because those are such expensive animals, man, do they use the best therapies and treatments there?
Tara Hunkin:
Well the other thing that's interesting about it is obviously there's no placebo effect. The horse doesn't know what you're doing.
So when they improve after using those devices, you know, they're working the same thing with laser, laser therapy or like you said acupuncturist, all the things, anytime you're working with animals and they have a positive response, you know, it's, it's the therapy. It's not, 'cause it's, it's, you know, we know it's not, it's not,
Dr. Capanna-Hodge:
—They don't have the same cognitive functioning. They're not talking to the, you know, they don't. They dunno, it's a PEMF.
Tara Hunkin:
They just think it's a horse blanket. They don't, they don't know and they don't think they're regular boots that they're being put on. Yes. So, but you can see them. Like, that's actually the cool part too. When you talk about that down regulation of the nervous system, you can just see them sink into it and just relax and Oh yes. It's, it's amazing to watch. That's why your cats love it so much.
Dr. Capanna-Hodge:
Can't do it at like 9:00 AM 'cause I'm like, hey, let's relax. You know—
Tara Hunkin:
It's the perfect thing right before bedtime, that's for sure.
Dr. Capanna-Hodge:
Perfect thing. Right before bedtime. Especially with our busy minds, Tara.
Tara Hunkin:
Exactly.
Dr. Capanna-Hodge:
All of us have busy minds and I think, you know, so it's a great tool. I love it. I wish more people would consider it out of not just the effectiveness of it, but for what we created, the convenience of it. And you know, when, especially when your kids are little and you're just going to so many therapies. Yes. You're like, how, you know, I have a mom who works with us and she's mom of five, she homeschools her kids and four have autism.
Wow. So, you know, she's like, got two of these and she's just rotating 'em around her and her husband and the kids. And they, and I love every minute of it, you know, that she's, she's doing that and I'm like, make sure you're doing it for yourself. She's like, don't you worry Dr. Roe makes me calm. I'm going to do it.
You know, and I'm like, you need every ounce you can get honey. You should be like a warrior. Yes. Now you're my mom of fives and the fifth one isn't neurotypical either, but he's not autistic.
Tara Hunkin:
That's a lot. That is a lot.
Dr. Capanna-Hodge:
She's doing it with a smile and the kids, you know, amazing. And yes, has 21 therapy appointments a week.
Tara Hunkin:
That sounds about right because do the math on that one, but that's, that's impressive. So a device like impressive, this would come in. Super, super handy.
Dr. Capanna-Hodge:
Super handy for sure.
Tara Hunkin:
I can't thank you enough for spending time with us again today and excited to, to chat soon again about the next step and the next thing that you have available for parents.
Again, if you are looking for Dr. Rowe, go to www.drroseann.com, so D R R O S E A N N.com. The links are on the, in the show notes for this episode. So either on your, on our, our website or on your podcast platform of choice. And thank you again for spending the time with us today, but also for sharing your wealth of knowledge and continue to bring things to the market that help the families that are so desperately in need.
Dr. Capanna-Hodge:
Thank You for this conversation. I really appreciate it and I know that wherever parents are is exactly where they need to be. They just need to take one step towards natural solutions.
Tara Hunkin:
Thanks everybody for joining us today and I look forward to seeing you on the next episode of the My Child Will Thrive podcast.
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